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Redhedd Spam: How Can We Fight It?
Posted On 02/22/2012 12:21:47 by steve

Eunice CrankyPonts posted a blog about how much of a pain in her ass the spam messages she gets are, and it pained me to read about how one of our pillar members is so turned off that it keeps her from enjoying the site.

(please note - this is not a general site complaint opportunity. If you've got complaints about other sucky aspects of the site, please PM me, or post it in the forums. - thanks!)

I know that spam bugs the living shiznit out of many of you, as it does me, and I want to apologize for being so passive about it for so long. Not passive in the sense of allowing it, because OzRed, gah-bless-him, is our Banman on the scene and he daily chucks the spammers and bans their IPs (most of them are from China, asamattafack).

But there's really no way to keep up with the army of pissants that think that a link on a little social network like ours is going to give them enough google juice or sucker visitors or whatever to make it worth their while, and I've been passive in the sense that I've been content to win the battles (win?, more like rebuff the attacks) rather than win the war.

So I want to use this blog post to disucuss solutions to winning the war. I don't pretend to have the best answer, and I want to hear what you Members and Staff think, and together I hope that we might come up with something that works for all (except the spammers). I've posted a couple of options below. I'd love to hear your opinions on them, and any additional ideas you have.

One solution that comes immediately to mind that I've seen put into place on other member sites is a minimum number of points before a new member is allowed to send a private message or post a blog. Downside: it makes it harder for new members to immediately express themselves. Upside: It weeds out the crap that comes from spammers and/or the flash in the pans who are merely idly curious. 

Manual verification of new members: this is another method that seems pretty workable. Downside: More work for staff, less instant gratification for legit new members who may have to wait a few hours to get access. Upside: spammers are obvious. It's easy to deny them.

Referral verification: this is a twist on manual verification the above, but gives every already-approved member the ability to "approve" a new member. Basically, every new member comes on with no privilages whatsoever beyond customizing their profile and browsing the public areas of the site. To earn posting privileges, they have to be approved (or voted in) by one (or more) members. Upside: increases member involvement and sense of community. Downside: same as above manual verification - hinders impulsive expression.

What hasn't worked in the past: email verification. I used to get a ton of emails every day from legit new members who had signed up and not gotten their verification email, either because of their junk settings, or a misspelling, or whatever. And of course, most of our spammers have email addresses built into their bots, so it's not at all spamproof.

Again, I'd love to hear your thoughts and ideas on what I consider to be the second biggest problem on this site (first being low member engagement, third being the fact that it loses money year after year). Hell, I don't want to aim too high here, but what I'd really love is if this were the first step toward getting redhedd back to humming along where it used to be in terms of activity.

So let's hear what you guys have to say about this! 

And thanks!

-Steve


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02/24/2012 05:08:16

Thanks for being on top of it Steve, it has been a bit of a bugbear seeing messages from them in my inbox. I like the idea of the minimal points before they can post.

 Philly. 



02/24/2012 01:19:31
The spam doesn't seem that bad to me, honestly. But, I'm for whatever everyone else thinks is best.


02/23/2012 21:17:04
Great to hear from you guys on this. Any more comments?


02/23/2012 16:34:00
Perhaps also a cap on the number of PM's without CAPTCHA verificaton?


02/23/2012 00:17:56

I made a suggestion a year or so ago about using reCaptcha. Does that cost? If it does, is it a lot? I wouldn't mind a hike in my VIP membership if it keeps out the bots.

If it's too much of an issue(I don't run sites, so forgive my ignorance), it seems that all the downsides are identical, at least to my eye. Referral verification seems to engender more community involvement. I'm all for that, and in more places than my favorite site.



02/22/2012 15:34:44

I like the minimum number of points idea personally before they can send messages or post a blog. It does not have to be many just enough to slow them down so we can get to them before they impact the site.

Manual verification might be a tad frustrating for new members so the points idea seems to be lowest impact for genuine accounts to me.

As Steve has said we have not been passive on this issue and indeed deal with in my own experience 12-15 new accounts per day that need 'attention'. 




02/22/2012 14:59:36

Hey Steve, the idea of the manual verification is good you can adapt it to,

build
profile, upload pics and vids, and blogs and things, however you can't
post anywhere in the site except the chat box, it may encourage them to
say "hi I'm building my profile.. right now,"

and like you say, a
member could authourise theri account.. maybe there could be a
clickable Icon on there name that members can click on once they have
seen their profile..

maybe also have the profile set to visible
by all, until verified.. then you can have the privacy, this allows the
community to look at there profile and see it's genuineness

also the clickable link might be a good way to identify spammers.. if the name is anything to go by..

like: fgfhdsj

oviously isn't a name..

JgMrc56 could be tho..

I think there are parts that we all could take part in :)

Nice one Steve


(tis nice to be back)




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